Explore how Barbara shifted from law to painting, transforming her life through creativity.

In this episode of the Made to Made podcast, Shannon Grissom welcomes artist Barbara Liss, who shares her inspiring journey from a rigorous legal career to embracing her passion for painting. After dedicating over 50 years to the legal field, Barbara discovered that art was not merely a hobby, but a vital part of her existence.

The Catalyst for Change

Barbara reminisces about her early exposure to art, sparked by private lessons with an oil painter. She reflects,

“I showed an inclination towards art… it was always there. I was born with a passion for it.”
Her choice of oil painting stems from its forgiving nature, which allows artists to adjust their creations over time. “Oil is forgiving in so many ways. You can leave it for a day or two and adjust it,” she explains, highlighting the medium’s responsiveness to her creativity.

Creativity Amidst Chaos

Balancing her demanding legal career with artistic pursuits proved challenging. During her 14-hour workdays, Barbara found solace in music, singing with Sweet Adelines and the Threshold Choir, which provided her with a creative outlet and a sense of community.

The Transformative Power of Art

When the pandemic struck, Barbara turned to her art for emotional expression. She beautifully articulates the cathartic experience of creating, stating,

“It saved my sanity to be able to express myself in my art. It’s a purge in an emotional way for me.”
Her art serves as a channel through which she captures and shares her emotional responses to the world around her.

Finding Home in Yosemite

After a journey through various states, Barbara and her husband settled in Oakhurst, California, near Yosemite. This breathtaking location reignited her passion for painting. “It felt like coming home to me,” she describes. Her integration into the local art scene has been fulfilling, where she’s taken on several roles, including president of the Yosemite Sierra Artists and now gallery manager at the YSA gallery.

Insights for Aspiring Artists

For those just starting their artistic journey, Barbara offers profound wisdom:

“We all start with a lack of confidence and trust in ourselves. The more you do, the better at it you get.”
She emphasizes the importance of embracing the process and recognizing that art is about interpretation, not just realism.

As you reflect on Barbara’s journey, consider what creative outlets resonate with you. What barriers might you need to overcome to embrace your passions more fully?

To delve deeper into Barbara’s story and hear more about her artistic processes, check out the full episode :

KEY TOPICS

Barbara’s transition from legal career to art
Techniques in oil painting, including additive and subtractive methods
The role of art in mental health and emotional expression
Community involvement and supporting emerging artists
Inspiration from nature and birds, especially in Yosemite

TAKEAWAYS

Oil painting is forgiving and responsive to emotional needs.
Art can serve as a mental health outlet and a way to connect.
Community support is vital for emerging artists to gain confidence.
Artists see the world differently, noticing details in light and shadow.
Engagement with art evokes emotional responses and connections.

CHAPTERS

00:00 Introduction to Creativity and Art
00:44 Barbara’s Journey from Law to Art
03:13 The Role of Art in Personal Fulfillment
10:56 Community Engagement and Artistic Identity
17:14 The Emotional Connection in Art
21:43 The Necessity of Art for Mental Well-being
24:41 Rituals and Grounding in the Creative Process
28:50 Art’s Impact on Perception of the World

ABOUT BARBARA

“Art should evoke feelings. I hope that mine does.“

Barbara Liss fell in love with oil painting as a young girl, when private art lessons first introduced her to the medium. Although life eventually led her into a 50-year career in the legal industry, art remained a constant thread. She continued to sketch and paint whenever she could, exploring watercolor, charcoal, conté crayon, pastels, casein, and other media.

Retirement gave Barbara the opportunity to return more fully to her first love. She and her husband moved to the mountains to fulfill her longtime dream of living near Yosemite. For ten wonderful years, she hiked, breathed in the beauty of the Sierra Nevada, and painted. Today, Barbara lives in Clovis, close enough to return frequently to the foothills and Yosemite while remaining an active member of the art community that has warmly embraced her.

Barbara has participated in numerous Yosemite Sierra Artists (YSA) exhibitions and has earned ribbons for her work. She displayed her paintings for five years at the Mariposa Sierra Artists Gallery, where she sold many pieces, and currently has work on display at the Yosemite Sierra Artists Gallery in Oakhurst. She has also presented successful solo exhibitions at the Gallery at Oakhurst Spirits and Ampersand Ice Cream in Fresno.

Her work has been featured in Fresno Art Hop and the Oakhurst Art & Wine Hop, as well as juried exhibitions at Scarab Gallery, the Madera County Arts Council’s annual Celebrate Agriculture exhibition, YSA’s Visions of Self, and numerous YSA juried annual shows. For five years, she was also accepted into Sierra Art Trails, where she participated in the open studio tour and successfully sold her work.

Barbara is proud to be a member of Art Inspiration Group, a select guild of nine female foothills artists. The group has presented three successful exhibitions at the Yosemite Gateway Art Center and the Gallery at Oakhurst Spirits.

Her dedication extends beyond her own studio practice. Barbara is a past president of Yosemite Sierra Artists and currently serves as its gallery manager and community gallery liaison. She regularly participates in plein air painting groups and portrait sessions.

For Barbara, painting is more than a creative pursuit—it is a way to reconnect with beauty, find serenity, and, as she puts it, “save my sanity and serenity.”

CONNECT WITH BARBARA

Facebook: https://facebook.com/BLissfulArtBarbara

Instagram: https://Instagram.com/BLissfullArtBarbara

Web: https://yosemitesierraartists.org/member-profile/bliss/

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TRANSCRIPT

Shannon Grissom (00:00)
Welcome to Made to Make. Here we talk about creativity, the challenges that come with it, and why we keep showing up anyway. Because hey, we are all made to make.

Welcome to the Made to Made Podcast. I’m your host, Shannon Grissom. Today’s guest is Barbara Liss. She’s an amazing painter. After a 50 year career in the legal world, Barbara was able to give her lifelong love of painting the time and space to flourish. And she discovered that art wasn’t just something she loved to do, but something she needed to do. Welcome, Barbara.

Barbara Liss (00:41)
Thank you, Shannon. I’m happy to be here.

Shannon Grissom (00:44)
Hey, you know, I was thinking, I remember you telling me that every one of your siblings you all got private lessons. Is that when you started painting? How did that all start?

Barbara Liss (00:56)
I guess I showed an inclination towards art because when my mom offered us separate lessons, I chose to to have private classes with an oil painter. And it certainly spiked my interest, but it was always there. I was born with it.

Shannon Grissom (01:22)
So what is it about oil painting that draws you in?

Barbara Liss (01:27)
So oil is forgiving in so many ways. It’s one of the mediums that you really can’t mess up because you leave it for a day or two and you can adjust it. So I find it responsive to my needs rather than I’m responding to it.

Shannon Grissom (01:54)
I I love that too, that it’s definitely forgiving and you can you can paint over it, sand it, do whatever and and it and it’s only when I’ve it’s only when I’ve got tremendous negative energy into the piece that that I get rid of it. Other than that I keep working it.

Barbara Liss (02:11)
Well that’s the thing

about oil, you can even just scrape it off. But I find that some of the techniques are additive and some of them are subtractive. And I use palette knives to do moving the creamy stuff around and taking some of it off, which a lot of people don’t resort to. They find it intimidating, but I love it. I think it’s terribly useful. Yes. To be able to subtract as well as to add.

Shannon Grissom (02:40)
That’s a good point, yes. So I know that you spent fifty plus years in the legal field. how did you keep your art alive during this whole this whole time? I mean that that’s a long time spent doing a day job.

Barbara Liss (02:57)
So my day job wasn’t just a day job. It was fourteen hour days, six days a week. I did complex civil business litigation and I was the trial paralegal who took cases to the courtroom.

Shannon Grissom (03:13)
Wow.

Barbara Liss (03:14)
so there wasn’t time for

sketching and painting. There just wasn’t. But I had outlets. I sang with Sweet Adelines for eleven years and I joined the Santa Barbara chapter of Threshold Choir, who are a collective of women

singing a cappella three part harmony at the bedsides of the ill and the dying. And that was extremely fulfilling and creative for me. It also kept me social because I’m that sort of person. and so music was a really great creative outlet for me during the time I was too busy to paint.

Shannon Grissom (04:02)
Well, you know, I I also seem to remember you doing you write beautifully. So did you also write during that time?

Barbara Liss (04:09)
I did. And a lot of my writing was legal writing. I am a ghostwriter for several published appellate opinions and I did most of the brief writing in my law firms. I did the legal research and I did the writing. And I was an editor of other people’s writing. So word art was I think

Not just the work, but a creative outlet for me.

Shannon Grissom (04:43)
yeah, yeah, definitely. What does making art give you that your legal career didn’t?

Barbara Liss (04:56)
well, many things. I think particularly during isolation of COVID, it saved my sanity to be able to express myself in my art. And I’m the conduit for what I see that filters through me and becomes what goes on my canvas. so it is

a purge in an an emotional way for me to be able to express my love of what I’m seeing and have it show up in something tangible that I made. It’s satisfying.

Shannon Grissom (05:43)
So do you feel like you’re you’re a channel for energy that’s coming through?

Barbara Liss (05:49)
Yes, yes. And I’ll betcha most artists will tell you the same thing. Yeah. That we are the tool in between something wonderful and capturing it and preserving it so that someone else can respond to it and see it and and feel what we felt.

Shannon Grissom (06:13)
So how did you go from Southern California, how did you end up near Yosemite?

Barbara Liss (06:21)
well, I I’ve been kind of a rolling stone all my life. I started in New York City. I went to high school in Michigan and I spent some time in Minneapolis. so when I landed in California, it was the Southern California area and moved up the coast gradually. I worked in Santa Barbara and lived in Carpenteria a long time. And

A period finally occurred where I either was going to write a novel or paint. that was kind of the decision-making process for me. I had been doing short stories a long time, and my husband asked

when we were looking at retirement, where would I rather be? And I’d rather be close to Yosemite. I’d been visiting Yosemite at least once every two years during the time from the t when I was nineteen to retirement age. And so we looked at many places to retire to and found Oakhurst. And it felt like coming home to me. It was

Something that kind of fluidly passed through my body and I said, we have to find a place where we’re at the elevation that we have pine trees.

And we have it’s that Feng Shui thing. we have to have water nearby and we have to have granite nearby and I have to be a stone’s throw from Yosemite. And so we found the most perfect house and I loved it. We lived there for ten years and it was idyllic and a dream come true.

Shannon Grissom (08:07)
Just so beautiful up there. Now I know that once you did land there, you immersed yourself in the art scene there, becoming president of Yosemite Sierra Artists and and you’ve held a number of positions there. Can you tell me a little bit about your community experience there?

Barbara Liss (08:25)
Sure. I was taken under Gina Mim’s wing. She just mentored me and encouraged me. And my very first exhibition of work was at her behest. She made room for me at a show at the old Gertrude Schoolhouse. And as my skills developed, it was

like learning to ride a bicycle. You do it when you’re twelve years old or eight years old or whatever, and then you drive cars for your entire adult life. So you get rusty and you’re s lose your sense of balance. But once I returned to my art, I really felt that connection kick in again and it took time, took practice. and so

Because I was adopted by Gina and many other fabulous, warm, welcoming people without judgment and criticism, I felt my work blossom, my skills return, and I wanted to give back, you know, encourage others to do that as well and to feel that because it’s confidence boosting to be able to do that.

So yeah, I was the plenaire chair for five years for YSA and then I was secretary on the board for a couple of years and you know nobody wants the thankless job of president, so I did that for a couple of years. And now I’m the gallery manager. We realized our dream of

having a brick and mortar gallery which took was fifty one years in the making. So we have a gallery in Oakhurst and I’m still the manager and I go up very frequently to to run it and we show the work of thirty one resident artists plus guest artists up there. And we are now Sierra Art Trail site and we host the monthly

Oakhurst Art and Wine Hop up there and it’s a doing and place. It’s it’s happening.

Shannon Grissom (10:45)
Well hello Donny For those that don’t know, this is Donny He’s a sweet boy.

Barbara Liss (10:52)
He is and

he just has to be in my lap. I’m so sorry.

Shannon Grissom (10:56)
That’s okay. So, what has surprised you the most about your creative life after retirement?

Barbara Liss (11:05)
Mm.

Well, I think the response of others to my work has has been very rewarding and somewhat surprising. I I regularly sell my work and that means I evoke something in those who s who see view my work and want to take it and that’s terribly heartwarming and meaningful to me.

So the big surprise is other people like my work enough to feel moved to buy it. And I appreciate that because it warms my the cockles of my heart.

Shannon Grissom (11:53)
Yeah, it does. You know, when all all of your work has tremendous presence and particularly your birds. I I just want to know what it is about your birds because boy I feel like their little personalities well they’re not little, they’re big. So what’s what’s the story behind the birds?

Barbara Liss (12:16)
Well, when you look in the eye of any bird I’ve painted, you really get a sense of who that little bird is. And I I have been around birds all my life. My mom kept parakeets. We we lived in New York City and we had an apartment, so we couldn’t have dogs and cats. We had to have birds who were caged and stayed in the house, except my mom always took them out and had on her shoulder or her eyeglasses all the time.

So I feel an affinity for birds from my youth. And then when I lived on my own, I had my own birds. I raised cockatiels and I had an aviary. I even had a Rainbow Lorikeet once. His name was Squirt, and that was because he ate fruit for his diet. And we had to put tarp all the way around his cage.

But I I love birds. I have been painting them for a very long time, since my youth. And I know a lot about the details of their wings and their feathers and their f little feet. And I’ve been up close and personal with them. So my birds have some character because I know them.

Shannon Grissom (13:35)
They do.

They really do. What are other favorite subjects that you like to paint?

Barbara Liss (13:41)
Well, I’m a Plein air painter, so I do an awful lot of landscape, mostly in Yosemite. I have tons of Half Dome and El Cap and Bridal Veil Falls and Yosemite Falls paintings. But in addition, I like doing still life. I have florals.

that have sold very well and I like something that speaks to me like an old window or a door on a the exterior of a building. I like the textures and I like peel peeling paint so I do a lot of variety in work.

Shannon Grissom (14:22)
What would you say to someone who is starting out, just starting painting, what do you wish you knew when you began this journey?

Barbara Liss (14:33)
I think we all start start with a lack of confidence and trust in ourselves. I wish I had believed more deeply when I first started that this is just how you get started. And it’s not the end of the road. I I yet don’t see the end of the road, but my skills improve over time. The more you do, the better at it you get.

I had a conversation with Penny Otwell after a demo and she said if you are looking for realism, you take a photograph. If you’re looking for the artist’s point of view in interpreting what we see, then you paint.

And that struck me very deeply because I was so critical about not getting photorealism in my work. I do mostly impressionist work. And impressionist means it’s my impression of what I’m seeing. And I hope that impression speaks to the viewer of the work. And that’s

The key for me. I didn’t know it when I began. I wish all people who s take up a brush or palette knife the opportunity to recognize that we are the interpreter. We’re not the ph photographer. Photography is a different art altogether.

Shannon Grissom (16:05)
Yeah, yeah it is. When you know, so along those lines, when someone stands in front of your work, what do you hope they experience?

Barbara Liss (16:18)
I hope I hope that they stand long enough to look at it and have it move them in some way. I hope it evokes a feeling in them that’s call and response. I’ve had the opportunity to show my work and people walk by and go very nice and then go on. But

Shannon Grissom (16:39)
Yeah.

Barbara Liss (16:40)
some people stop and have an experience with the art that they’re looking at.

And that’s the reward for me, just watching what happens. And when someone says, I can’t leave this behind. I need to take it with me. That’s that’s the result I’m hoping to achieve. I’m hoping that they look at something and say, It’s just too important to me to not experience it over and over again.

Shannon Grissom (17:14)
Yeah, it’s that engagement that is that is so for me too, that is so important. I’m I remember being at shows and I’ve had people had a wonderful reaction or maybe not so wonderful reaction, but the worst thing for me is indifference.

Barbara Liss (17:31)
Yes, exactly.

Yes. And I think that’s true for all of us, you know, who who create art. We want we want to generate some internalized response to the work, and that’s the reward, that moment when someone says, that one really speaks to me.

Shannon Grissom (17:51)
Yeah. Well, you know, I think that’s it. So it’s it’s like acknowledging a presence. So y if you if somebody just walks by and they don’t they don’t exist, well I think that’s what it feels like. It’s like the art piece doesn’t exist, but it it’s just not making that connection with somebody.

Barbara Liss (18:12)
The hard

part is allowing yourself to recognize it’s that the art piece doesn’t exist and not that you don’t exist. Right. We tend to make it part of us. Right. I do. And I’m you know, it’s kind of like being a an addict. I’m looking for people to have a reaction. yes, and sometimes it’s humor and sometimes it’s longing.

But I want I want to evoke something. And and when it doesn’t happen, I’m disappointed.

Shannon Grissom (18:49)
Yeah.

Barbara Liss (18:50)
I need to not I have to remind myself that’s just how that person is interacting with the work. It’s not how they’re interacting with me. But when they get a response then I feel like, well, we have something shared. It’s a commonality. It’s a connection. And I’m looking for that connection all the time.

Shannon Grissom (19:11)
Yeah. And I think that that comes out through your art and also through your tremendous involvement in the community.

Barbara Liss (19:21)
Well, there are a lot of people who’ve lack confidence in their work and yet their skills are all right there in front of them. And so I feel like it’s helpful for me to encourage them to show at the gallery for the first time in their life to show in a real gallery, to attend events where they put their work on display. And you know, it’s risk taking when you’ve never done that before. But

People like Gina and me and you and a bunch of other people in the community are supportive rather than competitive. And that makes a huge difference. Yes.

Shannon Grissom (20:05)
Yeah, there’s room for everybody.

Barbara Liss (20:08)
Right.

And and you know, what one artist makes may appeal to three people and twenty other people walk by and it doesn’t touch them.

Shannon Grissom (20:20)
I think about songs on an album. You may love the group. It’s rare that you love every single song on that album. And and so even even people who love my work, they’re not gonna like everything. And that’s okay. That’s okay. So after all these years, what what makes you still want to pick up a brush or the palette knife and keep

Barbara Liss (20:49)
it’s the first thing I want to do every morning. Mm. I I I will say that I run in cycles. I think it’s the internal circadian biology. I may go two or three weeks without actually painting something, but I’m always thinking about what’s next. Yeah.

and then I have this spirit of energy and desire and it all connects with my skills and I may do five days in a row with several paintings in process at the same time. and then I wake up and find that I absolutely have to get back to work. I can’t sleep, I have to

I just thought of some some way to alter what I’ve been working on to make it different or better. And yeah, I’m consumed with that.

Shannon Grissom (21:43)
Yeah, if I don’t do it, it I mostly paint every day, but but there are times when things happen and I don’t and I call it becoming creative painted because it it has got to come out. And along those lines I I think I remember you saying you paint to save your sanity and serenity. Can you speak to that?

Barbara Liss (22:11)
Yeah, I I find it far more valuable, useful, and less costly than therapy. So when I am in an emotional state, which is frequent for me, the way to to help me work through it often is with a brush in my hand or a palette knife in my hand.

And the work requires me to shut out the world around me and just concentrate on what I’m doing. I find the current political climate upsetting. I find that there are many things in the universe that make me feel helpless and what I can do is paint. And I feel purposeful when I paint.

And so those are moments when I can calm myself and recognize that the things that I can do I will do, the things I can’t do, I can’t do anything about them. It it is necessary to ground myself and return to I can do something, I can paint.

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So I know with me, I think about back to my youth there were these tennis shoes called PF flyers, and when you put them on you could run faster, jump higher and do all these things. So when so and that’s dating me, but whatever. So

Barbara Liss (24:27)
I remember them.

Shannon Grissom (24:29)
So when I put on my apron, I get a sense, you know, and I prepare to paint, I get a sense of strength. I get grounded.

Even though I go out in La La Land to paint, the the apron just brings me back. Do you have anything like that that that is your that is your like your signal that okay now I’m going into this realm? I know it’s a random question.

Barbara Liss (24:58)
I generally don’t wear an apron. In fact, I my wardrobe is now all paint clothes.

I used to have a few things set aside, but now it nah. If I go out in in those jeans, then I go out in those jeans. That’s how it is. but I I think I do have a process. I have taken to using pie tins as my palette. I have a glass a tempered glass palette that I use, but I really enjoy taking out it’s a like a Marie Callender’s pie tin and squeezing all my little dabs

Paint on that and using it for mixing. It feels frugal to me. It feels like I’m not being wasteful, and it’s something packable that goes into my Plenaire backpack easily, and it’s not gonna break. You might get a little dented, but it’s not gonna break. And when I take that in hand or put it in my lap.

while I’m sitting in painting. I have two positions. I’ve got the easel and I’ve got a sitting easel so I can work on two things at once. I I f feel like I’ve just taken a deep breath and let it out, and here we go. It’s like the top of a water slide. Sh I’m gone.

Shannon Grissom (26:24)
Well that sounds great. A and I was thinking the Python would be a neutral background to put your to put your paint on.

Barbara Liss (26:35)
Yeah, it’s not transparent the way glass is. Yeah. but it I mean I have a couple of banged up Marie calendar pie tins and I like the roundness of it and I like the the edges that come up so I’m not splattering everywhere. It just appeals to me. It’s a it may be a silly thing, but it does feel like the beginning when I’m ready to start taking that pie tin works for me.

Shannon Grissom (27:04)
That’s great. It’s awesome. Like you it I I think everybody needs something that that that says, okay, now we’re going here and and and it starts that grounding.

Barbara Liss (27:15)
And I’m also very OCD, so I have everything organized behind me in all sorts of bins and containers. I know what’s in where and getting what my tools are going to be laid out and having that pie tin on my lap means I am safe enough to get started.

Shannon Grissom (27:41)
Do you think that organization helps your pinning process because it’s not interrupted by hunting for things?

Barbara Liss (27:47)
Absolutely. Yeah. And you know, I I was the computer in days where there were no computers working in the legal industry and so my mind tends to organize things. It’s just always that way. so ha it’s it’s the safety zone, you know, to have all my yellows and one row on my

tube keepers and all my blues on another row and knowing exactly they go from light to dark, so I know exactly where they are. And my clothes closet is the same way. I’m just that way about things.

Shannon Grissom (28:28)
You know what? You are preaching to the choir here. And I and I lay everything out on my palate in the same way most every time. And when I don’t, it makes me twitch. And then I go

Barbara Liss (28:43)
So much

easier. I could I could not look up and reach for something and know exactly where it is.

Shannon Grissom (28:50)
That’s great. Wow. So one one last thing. Has painting changed the way you experience the world?

Barbara Liss (29:00)
Absolutely. I think

Artists see differently than people who don’t create artwork. I had a conversation with Trowzers Akimbo once about seeing differently as as artists. I think we see the direction that the sunlight is coming from and pay attention to it and see where the shadows are cast in a

in a conscious way that many people are unconscious to. I think that morning light has a cooler quality to it than afternoon light just before sunset that’s warm. So I notice things differently I think as as an artist. Looking into a dog’s eyes and looking not just for the love and expression

But also for what color am I seeing? Yeah. And how how do I translate that into something I paint?

Shannon Grissom (30:06)
Wow. Well, you know, I you had some tremendous insight during during the whole podcast and I I just wanna thank you for being here. Where can people find out more about you?

Barbara Liss (30:19)
I am on Facebook. I have a page that’s Blissful Art Barbara on Facebook. And I also have a profile on the Yosemite Sierra Artist.org website, and I have a profile there. So those are two ways of reaching me. I do have an Instagram page where occasionally I post art as well. And one of these days I’ll arm twist Gina and have her help me with setting up a real website.

Shannon Grissom (30:49)
Well, thank you again, Barbara. This has been a great experience. Thanks everybody for tuning in. Please be sure to like, subscribe, and share. We’ll see you next time. That’s a wrap.